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Buzz's course ideas ( past and future)
« on: May 15, 2012, 08:46:35 AM »
This is a post about my gymkhana course ideas.

I am by no means a master, but though trial and error I am getting better at putting together a fun, safe, and challenging course.

Thanks to our European counter part that have helped, and have also pointed and said "That is just wrong." ;D

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 08:58:49 AM »
There are two schools of motogymkhana that I have been made aware of. One is the police motorscout courses, and the other is the Euro/Asian style.

The Euro/Asian style seems to have filled the need with the minimum amount of cones. Cones are expensive.

The motorscout style is simpler to understand, but takes cones. Lots and lot of cones.

So we have been using the Euro/Asian style of course design.



The most important thing to understand is the course key.
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Re: Buzz's course ideas ( past and future)
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 09:36:47 AM »
Now that the rules of course lay out are set you can start putting those cones together to make obstacles.

There are a few obstacles that are the bread and butter of motogymkhana.

Lets start with the figure 8. It is very simple, but it is one of the fundamental cores of this sport.

When setting up a figure 8 I use the 24' rule. That all riders on any bike can make a 24' circle. That means the cone should be spaced about 18' feet apart at the maximum and about 12' apart at the minimum.

A great many riders can do this much tighter. What we don't want to do is exclude riders on large bikes from playing in our sand box.

Excuse the roughness of the drawing.

 

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2012, 12:30:52 PM »
The figure 8 has a special place in the world of Moto Gymkhana as it is the way in which riders can compare and contrast their ability with other riders around the world. GP8 is the main practice exercise used in Japan and is done on a course using internationally agreed dimensions. There is a great video on Youtube that explains everything you will need to know at


The world record for this exercise is 26 seconds flat and considering that the first time that most riders attempt it they take around a minute shows the level at which our Japanese friends can ride.

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2012, 12:58:38 PM »
I have found this little course layout which illustrates what can be done in quite a small space. There is a video of the course in use at
which will help you to visualise things.

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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2012, 12:17:57 PM »
This is most excellent!  I have been collecting patterns and this one will make #3.  I've been naming them for reference but wonder about dimesions.  Google Sketcher makes a great free online drawing tool that includes scale and rulers for defining dimensions.

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Re: Buzz's course ideas ( past and future)
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2012, 12:46:06 PM »
Excellent.

The goal I am trying here is to show the basics of ideals of a course. That way everyone can put together their courses.

Next is the slalom

Slaloms are just plain fun IMHO.

They can do many things for a course. They are very versatile.

A wide slalom is a slow and technical.

A narrow slalom( cones nearly strait) is feels like a fast dance.

An extremely wide and overlapping slalom can make a decreasing radius turn, and replicates a hair pin mountain turn.

It only takes a few feet in cone spacing to change the whole feel of the slolum.

 

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2012, 01:01:01 PM »
Circles

These are evil little things. A simple concept, but they really separate rider times.

You can make 1 circle or many circles around one cone.

A circle can also be incorporated into an obstical. The circle and loop was a challenging section during the last event.

Once again sorry for the crudeness of the drawing. I am getting ready for work.




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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2012, 12:56:49 AM »
i loved the three cone incresing radius circle. it was fun and confirmed that my rear shock was way too soft as i keep draggin the fram more as i got faster.

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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2012, 06:55:30 AM »
There are five basic obstacles in the Adachi (c) course catalogue, the straight line slalom, the offset slalom, the Jink (?) the figure 8 (open and closed) and the rotation turn. A good course designer endeavours to get the five basic obstacles into every course and then supplement them with various other recognised obstacles from the catalogue. The aim of the course designer is to incorporate sufficient obstacles of suitable sizes and distances apart so that the advantages and disadvantages of all the different types of bike can be taken into account. This leaves only the rider as the main variable when it comes to the time for an attack. For example a big heavy bike like a Harley might struggle on the tight rotations, but the huge quantities of instantly available power means it will be able to cover the ground between obstacles very quickly indeed. On the other hand a little 125 might ace the rotations, but take its own sweet time to cover any distance. This is one of the great things about Moto Gymkhana in that any rider on any bike can be a winner! I don't think that there is any other motorsport where you could safely say that. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2012, 08:00:26 AM »
Motogymkhanaman: Any way we can get more information about the Adachi catalogue and access to a drawing tool that reproduces that stuff using the official cone legend markers and stuff?  I did a Google search on Adachi but didn't get a hit.

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2012, 09:46:21 AM »
The name Adachi comes from Mr Minoru Adachi who is considered to be the father of Moto Gymkhana and it was he, along with a few other riders that first set the ball rolling around 30 years ago. The Japanese never really bothered to formalise all their obstacle designs into a catalogue, because everybody learnt what they all were simply by joining in and riding.

When we went out to Japan to secure the rules and regulations of Moto Gymkhana, we also sought the OK from Mr Adachi to name the complete catalogue after him and as some of the obstacles were already grouped under the 'Adachi Special' heading he agreed to do so.

Since then we have compiled all of the standard obstacles and a considerable number of the other obstacles into a catalogue which will soon be available for approved clubs and organisations. Hopefully this will be up on our website in a week or two, so I will post a link when it is ready.   

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2012, 09:56:40 AM »
I have been experimenting with a number of different software packages with which to draw course designs, but I couldn't get on with the Google Sketchup at all and soon abandoned it. The best results I have had so far have been obtained on Microsoft Paint.net and doing plenty of cutting and pasting to make up a course using standard objects that our designer has created. I will keep plugging away with this and if I am reasonably happy that it works, I will try and release a bunch of graphics and a few example courses in Paint.net format for everybody else to have a play with.

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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2012, 10:07:24 AM »
As a graphic designer by trade, I am quite familiar with Photoshop and have it on my computer.  If you are interested I can offer my help in creating course maps for you.  Let me know if you are interested and we will set something up.

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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2012, 12:43:32 PM »
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Since then we have compiled all of the standard obstacles and a considerable number of the other obstacles into a catalogue which will soon be available for approved clubs and organisations. Hopefully this will be up on our website in a week or two, so I will post a link when it is ready.     

That would be great.

I still got to post up the rest of my obstacles that I have been using. I would like to see a list compiled from the master.

I agree. We have a guy on a Goldwing. I am sure you seen him in the vid. He is an incredible rider, and I use him to see if the course is too tight. If he can fit while scraping hard parts any bike should be able to make it.

That does lead me to a new question:


I have to design course for very large bikes.  What size bikes show up to your events?

I prefer my dual sports to the other bikes in my stable because it is like they are almost designed to do this. All the fastest bikes where dual sports. Mostly Suzuki DR series now that I think of it.

We are really pushing the skills building portion of our events. Much less focus on competition.

I want every rider on every type of bike to come to our events, and have fun.